Over the past few months, I’ve been excited to see that many people are standing up and supporting same-sex marriage. With the addition of a few states finally legalizing it, it certainly helped the morale of those of us who are staunch supporters of the issue. But with the constantly turning tables on Proposition 8 in California, rough patches in this quest for equality and acceptance are hard and troubling.
Same-sex marriage is not an issue about religious belief or God. Same-sex marriage is not a liberal issue or a conservative issue. Same-sex marriage is about equality, liberty, acceptance, progressive values, and equal treatment under the law, guaranteed by our Constitution.
Some would argue that allowing two men or women to marry is immoral. That’s not true. What is immoral is taking away the fundamental rights that everyone is entitled to as an American. We are living in a time in which one can be discriminated against based on your sexuality. You can be denied health care and fired or denied a job because of your sexuality.
The gay, lesbian, bi, and transgendered community is a community of people who deserve and are entitled to the same rights as that of the straight community. This is an issue about rights and preserving the Constitution. Progressive values is what makes this country great, and every person opposed to same-sex marriage is preventing the progression of a moral and accepting society.
Tags: Morals, Politics, Same-Sex Marriage
May 27, 2009 at 5:53 pm |
Same-sex marriage is not an issue about religious belief or God.
Same-sex marriage is about equality, liberty, …equal treatment
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I believe that you are WRONG on both points.
First of all, it’s not about equality or “Rights”
- under civil unions, homosexuals have the SAME rights as married people.
And, it’s not about ‘selfishness’ or envy of the word ‘marriage’ either.
No, the bottom line for most militant homosexuals is ONE simple thing:
They seek to DESTROY the sanctity of marriage
…so that it is less meaningful than a discarded chewing gum wrapper
You’re also quite incorrect when you suggest that it’s not about religious beliefs:
You see, for countless thousands upon thousands of years, the sanctity of Marriage has successfully withstood long trials and the tests of time. And now marriage itself, continually flies in the face of the homosexual lifestyle and serves as a constant reminder of how God created life on earth and formed the “perfect” union as being between a man and a woman.
So whether they want to admit it or not, most of the militant homosexuals that I’ve encountered are MORE on a mission against God than they are against mankind or his trivial politics. Some homosexuals will state this fact quite frankly. They cannot tolerate the continual reminders that their homosexual lifestyles are abnormal to nature itself and that homosexuality is absolutely was NEVER mankind’s designed structure to procreate and produce offspring.
Experience and observation teach us that most militant homosexuals hate God and anything He has created (especially marriage), which remind them that their lifestyle is abnormal. So, whether consciously or subconsciously, they have decided that: IF they cannot destroy God – THEN they will destroy the very principles and ethics that God has imprinted upon all mankind. It’s really sad too when you consider that faith, hope, love and forgiveness are among the top principles of God’s teachings. But their attacks continue nonetheless.
They don’t want to merely be called: “Married”
– (and it’s not about equal rights, which they already have by law)
No, their goal is to DESTROY the meaning of Marriage itself.
This also explains their utter hatred for all of Christianity and why they openly mock Christians and repeatedly invade various Churches while spewing their hate and utter intolerance of Christian teachings.
The great IRONY is that Muslims absolutely detest homosexuality and, if these militant homosexuals were to ever invade a mosque while spewing their propaganda, the Muslims would likely cut them down in the isle and stomp on their rainbow colored remains.
Yet, the homosexuals attempt to brand Christians as being intolerant???!!!!
If people can ever get past the political rhetoric and talking-points, then it quite clear to understand that this is just another war being waged by people who hate God, and all that He exemplifies.
Therefore, I respectfully (but thoroughly) disagree with your analysis.
May 27, 2009 at 6:21 pm |
I get your first italicized comment out of the way. What I meant by saying same-sex marriage isn’t about God, is that God is a ridiculous reason to oppose same-sex marriage. In addition, even if it wasn’t, in a secular nation, it doesn’t matter what opinions are formed based on God, they’re invalid.
Now onto the second, more important comment.
Same-sex marriage most certainly is about rights and equality. Civil Unions are not valid in every state, and certainly not the majority. Those civil unions that are valid are very limited in the rights they provide. They are not entitled to the same health care plans that straight couples are and often have to pay more for it. Equal opportunity and treatment under the law includes the right to marry.
You’re comment on the sanctity of marriage and destroying the meaning of marriage is complete lunacy. You’re stereotyping all homosexuals as being militant. These people just want their rights to be preserved and want to be accepted in a progressive society. Granted there are militant homosexuals, but there are militant Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, etc. etc. etc. Don’t stereotype them all.
Your disagreement is fueled by religious chauvinism, and your explanation of your disagreement is anything but respectful; it’s a stereotyping of all homosexuals. Wherever you’ve come across the false impression that homosexuals are hell bent on killing your God and morality, you’ve clearly heard it from an illegitimate and brainwashed source. I’ll leave you with this funny, yet true quote, edited to apply to this situation.
If you think homosexuals are going to take away your God, you’re an idiot. If you think homosexuals are going to take away your morality your an idiot. If you think homosexuals are going to take away your morality and rally other homosexuals in order to brutally gang rape and murder your God, you’re Bill O’Reilly or one of his devout followers.
May 27, 2009 at 7:20 pm |
The silly notion that America is a secular nation is just that.
You might be able to find a slanted atheist-based poll that says some such twaddle, but out in the “real” world – it is a well established FACT that the significant majority of the USA (about 3/4) professes some form of Christianity and an overwhelming majority (around 95%+) considers themselves as being “Religious” of some form or another.
And, to suggest that people’s religious “reasoning” or “opinions” are invalid because the USA is (in your opinion) ‘secular’ is naïve at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Apparently you’ve never read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, any of the state’s Constitutions, the Bill of Rights, the Gettysburg address, Supreme Court rulings, direct quotes from Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Henry, Franklin and innumerable Founding Fathers (or countless other examples from U.S. History and American law, which prove that you are completely and utterly wrong).
Further, your presupposition that this is about homosexual’s “rights” is greatly flawed from your opening paragraph on this post.
California homosexuals, among many others, have ALL the rights as married people. ALL of them.
Then HOW do you explain all the fire and brimstone from many militant homosexuals in California over prop 8 if they ALREADY have the SAME rights there??? Some homosexuals in Cali are ready to go to war over this ~ yet they already have the SAME rights as married folks!?
Why not just logically move the agenda on to other states??? ~~ Hmmmmmmm???????
………BECAUSE IT’S NOT ABOUT RIGHTS………
It’s exactly as I stated ~ this is about destroying the meaning of Marriage.
Also ~ I love your non sequitur and putting words onto my keyboard.
Notice how I use words like “Most” or “Some”…
…Yet you manipulate my words into saying: “Stereotyping ALL”!!!
It’s also amusing to watch you screech about (your words) “lunacy” and suggest that people who might share are different opinion are (again, your words) “idiots”…
…Yet you still find the duplicity to rant at ME about being disrespectful???????
Apparently hypocrisy is not something that you are able to discern in your own thinking or writing.
Meanwhile, BOTH of my points stand firm and unshaken by your non sequitur & insults.
While your general thesis remain greatly flawed just as I originally and respectfully stated.
May 28, 2009 at 7:55 pm |
Let me clear things up for you as you obviously haven’t clearly understood much of this discussion you feel so prepared to be involved in.
Let us start with secularism. Simply because Americans profess some form of belief, does not suggest that we are a Christian nation. A Christian nation, how I have intended to use it here, means a nation formed on the religion of Christianity. But we are not. We are formed on the basis of secular values and philosophy. Therefore, by that merit alone, a religious based opinion that affects secular government in any way, is an invalid opinion.
The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, etc. etc. etc. name any political document the founders were a part of that you want; they do not establish us as a Christian nation. They do allow us freedom to practice the religion we choose (or choose not to practice), but what they don’t allow is the use of religion as a basis for political argument. This violates the very principal of secularism.
Since you mention quotes from the founding fathers, I will list a few here to directly state that we aren’t a Christian nation; there should be no need for you to fall for this misconception afterwords:
From the Treaty of Tripoli, drafted under George Washington and signed by John Adams:
“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce and interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
As if that didn’t make it clear enough, let us examine a few other quotes from the founding fathers on the Christian religion:
Thomas Jefferson – “Christianity is the most perverted system ever shone on man.
James Madison – “During almost fifteen centuries as the legal establishment of Christianity has been on trail. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”
Benjamin Franklin – “Lighthouses are more useful than churches.”
John Adams: “As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”
John Adams again: “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
As if this doesn’t provide the necessary information, one could as the following: Why would the founding fathers, who seemingly despised and/or didn’t believe in the Christian religion, found a government based on that religion, just like the one they so hated in England and fought so hard to escape from?
With that out of the way, I’d like to continue with your next comment about my “flawed” analysis of homosexual rights.
You should have been quick to realize that I didn’t specifically mention California as a state that does not provide the same rights to homosexuals as married couples, though your analysis of it is somewhat wrong. Those that are currently married, do in fact, receive the same benefits as a married straight couple. However, those under mere civil unions, though they receive the same benefits, do so in a lesser sense. They have insufficient health care providers because they are discriminated against by specific companies to mention one thing.
Those who are exhibiting strong reactions to Proposition 8 are those that are no doubt angered at the situation as a whole, not just in California. These people understand that there are others like them being denied rights; regardless if they have their own, having the states decide this issue isn’t going to allow all homosexuals their rights, and that’s why those are fighting prop 8. This should be decided on the national level to insure the rights are preserved.
So in conclusion on this point, the civil unions in other states, for instance, Virginia, my own state, do not provide the same rights as married couples, and this was what I was talking about.
I stand by my statement that you are stereotyping all homosexuals. I see (and saw) that you used words like most and some; however, your general thesis portrays all homosexuals as militant, or in other words, the “somes” and “mosts” you mention. I don’t think you did this intentionally, but the post comes off as such.
I’m not declaring that those of a different opinion are idiots and are exhibiting lunacy; I do realize you’d like to think that though. Those that are claiming homosexuals are destroying morals and their God are the ones who are idiots and lunatics.
So I must disagree in that your points stand firm and unshaken; they are clearly quite weak.
July 11, 2009 at 12:36 am |
Neo Khan, your long-winded post is not worth reading. It’s about unchecked federalism, not about the “sanctity of marriage.” Do we want the Mormons marching from Utah to California, telling people how to live? HELL NO. I suggest you go back to Canada where you came from, you Neo-Neanderthal.